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=[[Council_of_Stellar_Management|Council of Stellar Management]]=
=Meeting Minutes=
<BR/>Saturday 6th December 2008
===Present===
[[Contributor_name:Ankhesentapemkah|Ankhesentapemkah]] (Vice-Chair), [[Contributor_name:Omber Zombie|Omber Zombie]] (Secretary), [[Contributor_name:Darius JOHNSON|Darius JOHNSON]], [[Contributor_name:Tusko Hopkins|Tusko Hopkins]] (Vice-Secretary), [[Contributor_name:Lavista Vista|LaVista Vista]], [[Contributor_name:Pattern Clarc|Pattern Clarc]], [[Contributor_name:Issler Dainze|Issler Dainze]], [[Contributor_name:Scagga Laebetrovo|Scagga Laebetrovo]] (alternate), [[Contributor_name:Sophie Daigneau|Sophie]] Daigmeau (alternate), [[Contributor_name:Extreme|Extreme]] (alternate)
===Apologies===
[[Contributor_name:Vuk Lau|Vuk Lau]] (Chairman), [[Contributor_name:Bunyip|Bunyip]]
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=== [[Announcements|Announcements]] / Elections===
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=== Popular Issue===
<BR/>[[UI_import/export_overview_settings|UI Import/Export Overview Settings]]
<BR/>No need for introduction as the documentation was clear. [[Contributor_name:Darius JOHNSON|Darius]] pointed out that this was actually possible to do already, but is technical in nature and supports an easier way to do it. [[Contributor_name:Issler Dainze|Issler]] noted it was similar to the Ship Fitting issue and could have the same system implemented to fix both. [[Contributor_name:Tusko Hopkins|Tusko]] pointed out this was an easier fix. A small discussion regarding local scripting occurred. [[Omber|Omber]] pointed out that things were getting too technical again.
<BR/>Vote: 9-0 pass
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=== Discussion===
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=== [[Additions_to_Decorations|Additions to Decorations]] – Raised by [[Contributor_name:Omber Zombie|Omber Zombie]] & [[Contributor_name:Tusko Hopkins|Tusko Hopkins]]===
<BR/>[[Omber|Omber]] introduced the issue and possible solutions, [[Contributor_name:Scagga Laebetrovo|Scagga]] raised the issue of possibly adding player avatars as possible decorations for [[Medals|medals]], and that the issue be raised as low priority. [[Omber|Omber]] agreed on the low priority. [[Contributor_name:Extreme|Extreme]] raised a seprate issue regarding the ability to delete mis-created [[Medals|medals]] – this issue will be raised separately as it’s not part of this one. [[Contributor_name:Tusko Hopkins|Tusko]] commented that the player [[Avatar|avatar]] as decorations was interesting, but wouldn’t be all that nice to look at.
<BR/>Vote: 9-0 pass
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=== [[Drone_Improvements|Drone Improvements]] – Raised by [[Contributor_name:Ankhesentapemkah|Ankhesentapemkah]]===
<BR/>[[Contributor_name:Ankhesentapemkah|Ankhe]] introduced the issue and possible solutions. [[Contributor_name:Pattern Clarc|Pattern]] commented that the intentions are on the right path, but new mods should all be high slots. [[Contributor_name:Tusko Hopkins|Tusko]] noted that while the damage of drone ships at the moment is high, introducing new modules/[[Implants|implants]]/ships would need [[CCP|CCP]] to look at overall drone damage to stop them being overpowered. He also agreed that utility drones definitely need looking at as they are underpowered and underused currently. Drone damage/ROF [[Implants|implants]] were also suggested to be used in the same place as drone ship users currently use [[Implants|implants]]. [[Omber|Omber]] suggested that adding more drone ships was unlikely due to [[CCP|CCP]]’s prior stance to adding new faction ships, and that assuming the [[T3|T3]] modular hulls grant inherent bonii, there will more than likely be drone bonus hulls. [[Contributor_name:Ankhesentapemkah|Ankhe]] agreed that ships are not high priority in this issue. [[Contributor_name:Pattern Clarc|Pattern]] commented that giving drone bandwidth [[Implants|implants]] would upset balancing on existing ships, he would rather give options for specialized drone ships. A small discussion over what drone [[Rigs|rigs]] were available on the [[Market|market]] was followed by [[Omber|Omber]]’s statement that most drone ship users ignore the drone [[Rigs|rigs]] as they have a CPU drawback which makes fitting drone ships
<BR/>difficult. [[Contributor_name:Lavista Vista|LaVista]] noted that we aren’t here to balance the game, we should stop delving into the minutiae.
<BR/>Vote: 9-0 pass
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=== [[Ship_fitting_made_easy|Ship Fitting Made Easy]] – Raised by [[Contributor_name:Tusko Hopkins|Tusko Hopkins]] & [[Contributor_name:Scagga Laebetrovo|Scagga Laebetrovo]]===
<BR/>[[Contributor_name:Scagga Laebetrovo|Scagga]] introduced the issue and possible solutions. [[Contributor_name:Extreme|Extreme]] agreed with the solution but only if the sheet cannot be traded, he also noted that the fitting sheet would become outdated with skill advances, and that people would just create cookie cutter setups with them. [[Contributor_name:Scagga Laebetrovo|Scagga]] responded that half of the idea was to make them tradeable and that skill advances would have no effect on the sheets as they are purely to fit a ship and it was a moot point. He also noted that most people post their setups to forums, so these sheets would have no impact on that area. [[Contributor_name:Issler Dainze|Issler]] liked the general idea but thought the solution was a bit impractical. [[Omber|Omber]] agreed with the idea in principle as well, but thought it would be far easier for [[CCP|CCP]] to implement it as an import/export system rather than spend time creating a new interface and artwork for it. [[Contributor_name:Scagga Laebetrovo|Scagga]] believes that the time required to do as suggested was minimal. [[Contributor_name:Darius JOHNSON|Darius]] noted that we were getting into too much detail again. [[Contributor_name:Ankhesentapemkah|Ankhe]] suggested fitting template codes which could be exchanged. [[Contributor_name:Lavista Vista|LaVista]] noted we were still being technical and supposed to just provide high level issues and solutions, not minutiae. [[Contributor_name:Ankhesentapemkah|Ankhe]] showed an example of how guildwars does [[Templates|templates]]. [[Contributor_name:Tusko Hopkins|Tusko]] likes the general idea, just has issues with the suggested implementation. [[Contributor_name:Issler Dainze|Issler]] agreed we should just send [[CCP|CCP]] the idea and let them sort out the details. [[Contributor_name:Extreme|Extreme]] thought that considering the large amount of important issues out there, this shouldn’t be sent to [[CCP|CCP]] to waste their time.
<BR/>Vote: Passed 6-3, No’s were [[Contributor_name:Extreme|Extreme]], [[Contributor_name:Lavista Vista|LaVista]] (believes too much confusion from [[CSM|CSM]] side), [[Contributor_name:Pattern Clarc|Pattern Clarc]] (abstained)
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=== Removing T1 meta-0 loot===
<BR/>Postponed to next meeting
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=== [[UI_new_context_menu|UI New Context Menu]]===
<BR/>[[Contributor_name:Lavista Vista|LaVista]] introduced the topic and showed us this nice picture by Entity
<BR/>http://home.wanadoo.nl/ntt/menudesign101.png
<BR/>[[Contributor_name:Issler Dainze|Issler]] pointed out that [[CCP|CCP]] were already working on new UI for the next expansion. [[Contributor_name:Lavista Vista|LaVista]] noted that we should help them by showing them what we want.[[Contributor_name:Tusko Hopkins|Tusko]] wanted to add other context menus that could also be fixed in similar ways. [[Contributor_name:Lavista Vista|LaVista]] wants this one sorted out first, others can be done at a later date. [[Contributor_name:Darius JOHNSON|Darius]] thinks that this solution is way too detailed and he wouldn’t support anything with that much detail. [[Contributor_name:Lavista Vista|LaVista]] responded by way of saying this was a suggestion rather than a high-level proposal. [[Contributor_name:Darius JOHNSON|Darius]] thinks we should stick to high-level issues only. [[Contributor_name:Ankhesentapemkah|Ankhe]] thinks the item positioning is personal preference and while she liked the layout, if submitted like this, chances are people will whine. [[Contributor_name:Lavista Vista|LaVista]] pointed out that concern was listed in the Cons of the solution. [[Contributor_name:Tusko Hopkins|Tusko]] thinks the issue is that the current context menu’s suck and the image was just an example of how it could be done better. [[Omber|Omber]] pointed out that [[CCP|CCP]] are already changing the UI for the next expansion so there was no loss adding this to their options.
<BR/>Vote: 6-3 pass, No’s were [[Contributor_name:Darius JOHNSON|Darius JOHNSON]], [[Contributor_name:Ankhesentapemkah|Ankhesentepemkah]], [[Contributor_name:Pattern Clarc|Pattern Clarc]]