Talk:D-GTMI (Battle of)

"at 2 of the main gates" - changed to specific gates based on dotlan research, request confirmation.

Since, I do not know the strategic layout of this battle nor was I present, maybe a note of the defender stargate and the invader stargates, since there are only three gates in system. I made a guess based on Dot-lan layout and sov holding

Additionally, after the battle do we know what providence holders were interested in the offer for peace or are they too numberous to be listed individually?

The videos don't make it clear if there were two major fleet engagements, preceeded by smaller skirmishes by the involved fleets. From the description given, I'm lead to believe that there were skirmishes by defending forces prior to the intial defender response. I'm calling this the first engagement. The period after the defender subcapitals retreat until they return in greater number, the tactical withdrawl. By the second engagement, I'm referring to the return of CVA/Providence/Holder forces until their defeat at the SBUs.

If someone who was at the battle could clarify, it would be appreciated.

A. There were several engagements over time, small and big, each ultimately resulting in the conflagration of all out sovereignty warfare over the D-G system. There were several larger scale battles prior to this, see the confrontation with AAA carriers + supercarriers on a gate and Providence forces attempting to ward them off as visible in the part 1 and 2 footage. Over the course of that week with that engagement politics played in the background, when that failed, sovereignty warfare began. Which required several engagements and steps, as per game mechanics. The effective D-G battle as most refer to it, was the last battle in the sovereignty mechanical conflict, the last round so to speak. There were prior engagements, at each round, but those had far less conflict. The battle, so to speak, was the deciding battle.

Expansion of article

Would it then serve the community as a whole to cover the preceeding minor engagements, the week prior to the battle?

Additionally, would it be useful to increase the level of detail with regards to the negotiations over the LFA accquisitions in Catch as a precursor to the engagement in D-GTMI?

Would creating a new page dealing with the New Providence War be useful?

Additionally, was it LFA that spearheaded the calls for peace in the aftermath of D-G? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291064

Additionally, who is Hardin?

--Mamiko Suzumiya 21:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

A. Might be an idea to expand to this as Providence War, perhaps. Although since it has been quite some time focusing on individual battles is perhaps enough. Truth be told the only other one that is of memorable significance was the 9UY battle, where everyone went all minmatar to add flavour to the final conquest of Unity Station .. roleplay: minmatar vs amarr, etc.

The politics, well, maybe. Thing is, it is very easy for this to become a case of the victor writes history". Imo.

Hardin was the founder of CVA. Contact with him was established out of old ties and relations, and a little common sense. As matters spiralled out of control, Aralis once again took the reigns of CVA but was unable to adjust flexibly his chosen path and methods or even timeline. A case of principalities as it was explained to the outside world (if we accept any AAA deal we become pets) but in reality a classic case of headstrong with making decisions on the basis of incorrect information and realpolitik applied to EVE organisation concepts. The idea was that both sides in spite of being so different had been able to coexist while being adversaries without being in the way of strategic concerns of each other, so perhaps that would be possible again. After all Providence was unique, and deserved to remain so. As Hardin was one of the founders of that concept, people spoke with him to see if an understanding could be achieved. Unfortunately Aralis wielded full control, as mentioned before.

LFA was maneuvered by CVA working a selection of decision makers there into being the spearhead of the conflict. An initial phase prior to CVA adapting to trends in the wider universe and become a more realpolitik oriented alliance in a wider theatre. A smart approach, but unfortunately counterproductive to the general stage which allowed Providence as an experiment to flourish: NRDS, sole region for young folks in the universe, roleplay region, etc. When things went sour, LFA was not the first to seek mediation angles. That was Paxton, followed by LFA. But where other holders as they were called were ultimately reigned in by CVA leadership LFA leads did not appreciate a few things and pursues a more seperate course which in the end wedged them out of the larger framework of Providence.

Ultimately both sides pushed each other into a trench where neither could get out of, with AAA (being a regular spaceholding alliance, unlike CVA / providence with its unique universal status) was forced to apply the doctrine of realpolitik CVA sought to expand towards. The results of that, well, are still visible today.