CSM Meeting Minutes 5.008 raw log

CSM Meeting Minutes 5.008 raw log

Meeting took place on 11th Sept 2010

[ 17:03:35 ] Mynxee > .==================================CSM MEETING 008 CALLED TO ORDER==================================.
[ 17:03:35 ] Vuk Lau > back
[ 17:03:46 ] Mynxee > roll call please, x up if present.
[ 17:03:48 ] Mynxee > x
[ 17:03:50 ] Trebor Daehdoow > X
[ 17:03:53 ] TeaDaze > x
[ 17:03:54 ] ElvenLord > x
[ 17:03:54 ] Vuk Lau > x
[ 17:04:21 ] Dierdra Vaal > x
[ 17:05:12 ] Meissa Anunthiel > x
[ 17:05:25 ] Mynxee > ok that's a quorum.
[ 17:05:47 ] Mynxee > i have no reminders so we can go straight to the issues.
[ 17:06:12 ] Mynxee > First one is Remotely Stack Items in Hangar which i am raising
[ 17:06:17 ] Mynxee > http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Remotely_stack_items_in_hangar_%28CSM%29
[ 17:06:31 ] Mynxee > basically this is an asset management convenience
[ 17:07:06 ] Mynxee > beign able to remotely stack items in hangars will make it easier to see totals of what you've got there, might make assets info load faster, and just make it easier to deal with remote assets
[ 17:07:07 ] Meissa Anunthiel > !
[ 17:07:21 ] Mynxee > [end]
[ 17:07:24 ] Mynxee > meissa go
[ 17:07:41 ] Meissa Anunthiel > Actually, anything that one can do locally, one should be able to do remotely, it's not like I'm getting out of my ship to push it in the hangar, I can give that order "more" remotely :p [/end]
[ 17:07:55 ] Vuk Lau > !
[ 17:07:59 ] Mynxee > vuk
[ 17:08:03 ] Trebor Daehdoow > !
[ 17:08:09 ] Vuk Lau > can we vote cause this is crystal clear issue /end
[ 17:08:22 ] Mynxee > yeah agreed, vuk. trebor go
[ 17:08:28 ] Dierdra Vaal > !
[ 17:08:31 ] Trebor Daehdoow > Entirely reasonable, unless there is a resource-related reason why not -- CCP will inform if so. [end]
[ 17:08:39 ] Mynxee > dv go
[ 17:09:18 ] Dierdra Vaal > I was under the impression you can already remote rightclick->stack through the assets window? you're able to repackage as well...
[ 17:09:23 ] Dierdra Vaal > trying to verify it now
[ 17:09:47 ] Dierdra Vaal > hm nope I'm wrong
[ 17:09:51 ] Dierdra Vaal > only repackage, not stack
[ 17:09:52 ] Dierdra Vaal > nvm
[ 17:09:54 ] Dierdra Vaal > end
[ 17:09:57 ] Mynxee > yup
[ 17:10:10 ] Dierdra Vaal > !
[ 17:10:13 ] Mynxee > let's vote then. Y or N for remote stacking issue?
[ 17:10:17 ] Mynxee > oh wait, dv go
[ 17:10:29 ] Dierdra Vaal > well your proposal doesnt mention remote stacking
[ 17:10:36 ] Dierdra Vaal > it only mentions they're displayed as a single stack
[ 17:10:55 ] Dierdra Vaal > do you mean to allow remote stacking, or do you just want to display them as a single stack while keeping them seperate?
[ 17:10:57 ] Dierdra Vaal > end
[ 17:10:58 ] Mynxee > "Allow multiple stacks of identical items in remote hangars to be combined into a single stack. "
[ 17:11:27 ] Dierdra Vaal > so not just visually
[ 17:11:28 ] Mynxee > doesnt that description make it clear?
[ 17:11:28 ] Dierdra Vaal > ok
[ 17:11:51 ] Dierdra Vaal > I wasnt sure if combining ment visually or just restacking
[ 17:12:05 ] Mynxee > multiple stacks into 1
[ 17:12:12 ] Dierdra Vaal > anyway I'm fine to vote :)
[ 17:12:13 ] Mynxee > that is the essence of the proposal
[ 17:12:20 ] Mynxee > let's vote then. Y or N?
[ 17:12:22 ] Dierdra Vaal > y
[ 17:12:23 ] Mynxee > Y
[ 17:12:24 ] Trebor Daehdoow > Yea
[ 17:12:25 ] Meissa Anunthiel > Yes
[ 17:12:25 ] TeaDaze > y
[ 17:12:27 ] ElvenLord > y
[ 17:12:56 ] Vuk Lau > y
[ 17:13:00 ] TeaDaze > 7 for
[ 17:13:36 ] Mynxee > since mazz is not here, next issue is Dierdra's: Make Advanced Assembly Arrays useful
[ 17:13:43 ] Mynxee > http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Make_Advanced_Ship_Assembly_Arrays_useful_(CSM)
[ 17:13:47 ] Dierdra Vaal > T2 ships can be made at POSes, but only at higher cost than using a station or outpost. This is particulary disadvantageous when using BPCs - which is unavoidable for some ship types (JFs, BOBs)....
[ 17:13:48 ] Mynxee > you have the floor DV
[ 17:14:06 ] Dierdra Vaal > as well as provide a further advantage for BPO holders vs BPC holders.
[ 17:14:15 ] Dierdra Vaal > the proposal offers 3 solutions:
[ 17:14:17 ] Meissa Anunthiel > !
[ 17:14:31 ] Trebor Daehdoow > !
[ 17:14:35 ] Dierdra Vaal > 1) In exchange for removing the 1.1 base material multiplier from advanced ship arrays, increase the base time multiplier to 1.Rename all the current Advanced Ship arrays to "Rapid" and introduce "Regular" speed manufacturing arrays.
[ 17:14:52 ] Dierdra Vaal > bah that went wrong - anyway you can read the solutions on the wiki :)
[ 17:15:00 ] Dierdra Vaal > end
[ 17:15:06 ] Mynxee > meissa go
[ 17:15:19 ] Meissa Anunthiel > If you go on with the proposal, you give even more profit to ship T2 BPO holders. Especially those where supply can't meet demand.[/end]
[ 17:15:30 ] Mynxee > trebor go
[ 17:15:32 ] Trebor Daehdoow > While I think the slider idea is a bit ambitious, I support the general proposal. Simple, easy to implement, fair, useful. [end]
[ 17:15:58 ] Dierdra Vaal > !
[ 17:16:02 ] Mynxee > dv go
[ 17:16:40 ] Dierdra Vaal > in response to meissa: its true that for some ships, BPO holders will also benefit from this. Which means either they make a bit more profit or eventually prices will drop a little.
[ 17:16:50 ] Meissa Anunthiel > !
[ 17:17:06 ] Dierdra Vaal > however, for more ships BPCs will become more competitive
[ 17:17:24 ] Dierdra Vaal > as well as not punishing people living in wormhole space who want to manufacture their own ships. end
[ 17:17:32 ] Mynxee > go meissa
[ 17:17:52 ] Korvin > !
[ 17:17:56 ] Trebor Daehdoow > !
[ 17:18:06 ] Meissa Anunthiel > Prices won't drop. There's 2 scenarios for ship BPOs (for the sake of the discussion, assume "T2" when I say BP).A) Ships where the BPOs can't supply demand (hulks, HACs, etc.). For those the sale price is above invention price.
[ 17:18:11 ] Meissa Anunthiel > (sorry, writing)
[ 17:18:33 ] Mynxee > np
[ 17:19:32 ] Meissa Anunthiel > For those, giving this option will not lower the price or not much.For the vast majority of the other cases, where BPO meets demand, it won't help inventors, and the prices will not drop, there's no reason than it does
[ 17:19:48 ] Meissa Anunthiel > Ergo I don't see what this is going to change. [/end]
[ 17:19:58 ] Mynxee > korvin, go
[ 17:19:59 ] Dierdra Vaal > !
[ 17:20:10 ] Vuk Lau > !
[ 17:20:13 ] Korvin > i believe trebor was above me
[ 17:20:21 ] Dierdra Vaal > nope you were first :)
[ 17:20:23 ] Mynxee > nope he wasn't
[ 17:20:40 ] Korvin > ok, while im supporting this idea
[ 17:20:48 ] Korvin > since poses still need fuel
[ 17:21:06 ] Korvin > so the price will be higher than the station build
[ 17:21:25 ] Korvin > and stations have a lot of free manufacture slots
[ 17:21:38 ] Korvin > [end]
[ 17:21:47 ] Mynxee > trebor go
[ 17:21:49 ] Trebor Daehdoow > I suggest that Meissa's concerns be added to the cons, so that CCP can consider them if they decide to do this. [end]
[ 17:22:11 ] Mynxee > i support trebor's suggestion, was gonna say that myself. [end]
[ 17:22:15 ] Mynxee > dv go
[ 17:22:22 ] Dierdra Vaal > Another reason I supported this proposal is because I feel POSes (expensive, risky, skill intensive) should not be a disadvantage over using stations (easy, safe, low skill requirements). Sure it's 25% faster, but manufacturers seem to care more about..
[ 17:22:33 ] Dierdra Vaal > ...production price than production time (within reason).
[ 17:22:43 ] Meissa Anunthiel > !
[ 17:22:43 ] Dierdra Vaal > also, how should I exactly phrase meissa's concern
[ 17:22:50 ] Dierdra Vaal > "Con: it may not change anything"?
[ 17:22:52 ] Dierdra Vaal > end
[ 17:22:59 ] Mynxee > vuk go
[ 17:23:11 ] Vuk Lau > I agrew with Stephan concerns
[ 17:23:18 ] Vuk Lau > i doubt it will change anything
[ 17:23:30 ] Vuk Lau > but I dont have anything really against or for
[ 17:23:32 ] Vuk Lau > end
[ 17:23:41 ] Mynxee > meissa: go
[ 17:23:52 ] Dierdra Vaal > !
[ 17:24:06 ] Meissa Anunthiel > I totally understand the objective, but I believe it won't accomplish reduced cost (pos fuel, logistics), and I'll make more profit, so that's cool with me on a personal level, but I'm not sure it'd be well received. [/end]
[ 17:24:20 ] Mynxee > dv go
[ 17:24:40 ] Dierdra Vaal > there is one thing that will change: people who live in wormholes will not feel they have to go to k-space to build their T2 ships. end
[ 17:24:45 ] Meissa Anunthiel > !
[ 17:24:50 ] Mynxee > meissa go
[ 17:25:33 ] Meissa Anunthiel > People aren't "supposed" to be living in wormholes, I don't think upsetting the balance of the rest of the universe for wormhole people (in this one particular instance) is justified. You want to live there, well, more hurdles to you. They have to go
[ 17:25:53 ] Meissa Anunthiel > back to empire to buy fuel anyway, being able to do everything in there is not good for the ecosystem... [/end]
[ 17:27:08 ] Meissa Anunthiel > (to be extra clear, I haven't made up my mind about the thing, it's just concerns and arguments)
[ 17:27:17 ] Mynxee > is there more discussion needed for wording of a con to reflect meissa's concerns? or can we vote?
[ 17:27:32 ] Dierdra Vaal > I've added a con
[ 17:27:51 ] Mynxee > http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Make_Advanced_Ship_Assembly_Arrays_useful_%28CSM%29
[ 17:27:59 ] Dierdra Vaal > I dont really have anything to add beyond what I've said
[ 17:28:12 ] Trebor Daehdoow > Sorry, dropped
[ 17:28:13 ] Mynxee > :) Let's vote then. Y or N ?
[ 17:28:17 ] Dierdra Vaal > y
[ 17:28:18 ] Trebor Daehdoow > Y
[ 17:28:21 ] TeaDaze > y
[ 17:28:21 ] Mynxee > y
[ 17:28:21 ] Korvin > y
[ 17:28:24 ] Vuk Lau > y
[ 17:28:26 ] ElvenLord > y
[ 17:28:38 ] TeaDaze > 7 for
[ 17:28:47 ] Meissa Anunthiel > pfff, yes?
[ 17:28:50 ] Mynxee > for the record secretary, i received no notices about absence from anyone
[ 17:28:50 ] Vuk Lau > stephan?
[ 17:28:59 ] Vuk Lau > Tim just sent email
[ 17:29:04 ] Vuk Lau > retarded one
[ 17:29:07 ] Vuk Lau > about his absence
[ 17:29:09 ] Mynxee > to whom?
[ 17:29:14 ] Vuk Lau > to everyone
[ 17:29:15 ] Vuk Lau > email
[ 17:29:20 ] TeaDaze > It was after meeting start to the mailing list
[ 17:29:26 ] Vuk Lau > yes
[ 17:29:28 ] Vuk Lau > 10 mins ago
[ 17:29:34 ] Mynxee > ok
[ 17:29:46 ] Vuk Lau > which is not notice for me tbh
[ 17:29:50 ] Vuk Lau > but wanted to mention
[ 17:30:00 ] Mynxee > as mazz isn't her, there are no further issues to discuss, so on to Other Business
[ 17:30:02 ] Mynxee > *isn't here
[ 17:30:30 ] Mynxee > Are there any unresolved editing concerns about the CSM blog that we need tovote on? I don't think so, but please state them if you do.
[ 17:30:44 ] ElvenLord > why not discuss mazz issues?
[ 17:30:53 ] Dierdra Vaal > she isnt here to introduce them
[ 17:30:55 ] Vuk Lau > bcs she need to champion them
[ 17:30:58 ] Mynxee > because she is not her to raise them.
[ 17:31:04 ] Mynxee > *here, ffs
[ 17:31:06 ] Meissa Anunthiel > mynxee, the blog, what does it contain?
[ 17:31:17 ] Meissa Anunthiel > because in the draft I see on the forums, it still contains "the list"
[ 17:31:37 ] Mynxee > yes, that draft is the one we are considering for publication
[ 17:31:41 ] Mynxee > as i stated.
[ 17:31:45 ] Meissa Anunthiel > then I have an issue with it
[ 17:31:53 ] Trebor Daehdoow > The current draft starts here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1371623&page=4#96
[ 17:31:59 ] Meissa Anunthiel > for the same reasons mentionned last time, I don't want the list to be published
[ 17:32:29 ] Meissa Anunthiel > I understand the time criticality, and still consider the disadvantages and potential unproducitivty to far outweigh the potential benefits
[ 17:32:29 ] Vuk Lau > same here
[ 17:33:12 ] Mynxee > i suggest we will gain nothing from further discussion as it's been hashed out in the last meeting and in the thread, so unless you disagree...
[ 17:33:35 ] Vuk Lau > i didnt saw the minutes from the last meeting
[ 17:33:37 ] Mynxee > we can just vote Y or N on keeping the List information in there (the "list" being the stuff from our dev planning priorities that CCP said they were working on )
[ 17:33:37 ] Meissa Anunthiel > what unless who disagrees?
[ 17:33:39 ] Vuk Lau > isnt that voted down?
[ 17:34:00 ] Mynxee > what was voted down was the IMMEDIATE RELEASE of that information by itself in its own blog.
[ 17:34:15 ] Vuk Lau > kk
[ 17:34:28 ] Vuk Lau > lets vote down then for the list, beside that I am ok with the blog
[ 17:34:32 ] Korvin > anyway, we need a CCP comments and CCP approval before posting it afaik
[ 17:34:34 ] Meissa Anunthiel > can we vote on the publication of it ANYTIME now?
[ 17:34:35 ] Mynxee > now we've incorporated it into a larger blog covering more territory
[ 17:34:41 ] Meissa Anunthiel > or "not publication", rather
[ 17:35:03 ] Vuk Lau > exactly
[ 17:35:13 ] Vuk Lau > so we can finish with that once for all
[ 17:35:37 ] Mynxee > yes meissa. that will be the vote this time. Y or N to publish the List ever, whehter in the current CSM blog or at any other time.
[ 17:35:44 ] Vuk Lau > thanx
[ 17:35:55 ] Mynxee > so....
[ 17:35:57 ] Meissa Anunthiel > ok, voting No
[ 17:36:00 ] Vuk Lau > no
[ 17:36:15 ] Korvin > no (Content removed due to NDA)
[ 17:36:20 ] Dierdra Vaal > voting yes
[ 17:36:22 ] Trebor Daehdoow > Yes
[ 17:36:25 ] Mynxee > Y
[ 17:36:36 ] TeaDaze > yes - it needed the extra week on it but is now fine
[ 17:36:37 ] Dierdra Vaal > (provided petur's most recent feedback about the issues is incorporated)
[ 17:36:38 ] ElvenLord > n
[ 17:36:45 ] Dierdra Vaal > since apparently he messed up or w/e
[ 17:36:54 ] Vuk Lau > 4:4 :p
[ 17:37:02 ] Dierdra Vaal > in a tie, chairman has the swing vote
[ 17:37:09 ] Mynxee > Y
[ 17:37:21 ] TeaDaze > I see 3 noes
[ 17:37:29 ] Vuk Lau > i like words chairman and swing in same sentence
[ 17:37:30 ] Dierdra Vaal > meissa, vuk, korvin and elv
[ 17:37:32 ] TeaDaze > Ah, sorry, 4
[ 17:37:40 ] Mynxee > lol vuk
[ 17:37:59 ] Dierdra Vaal > /emote has a mental picture of vuk on a swing on the CSM2 visit to iceland
[ 17:38:09 ] Dierdra Vaal > he's going "wheeee"
[ 17:38:13 ] Mynxee > /emote can't constrain a giggle
[ 17:38:17 ] Vuk Lau > grats guys, you won
[ 17:38:21 ] Mynxee > ok teadaze
[ 17:38:24 ] Vuk Lau > this time.....BVAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[ 17:38:37 ] Dierdra Vaal > I lold
[ 17:38:42 ] Dierdra Vaal > ok srs bsns now
[ 17:38:43 ] Vuk Lau > /emote dissapears in mist
[ 17:38:47 ] Mynxee > well we now need to vote on the final draft
[ 17:38:56 ] Mynxee > to get published this week
[ 17:39:02 ] TeaDaze > I don't know if I've handled swing votes in the database :P
[ 17:39:08 ] TeaDaze > damn you all
[ 17:39:08 ] Mynxee > as it is now drafted in our internal forums
[ 17:39:16 ] Mynxee > <3 you teadaze
[ 17:39:18 ] Vuk Lau > I only have one comment
[ 17:39:23 ] Vuk Lau > it should be written like this
[ 17:39:47 ] Vuk Lau > Sincerely,Vuk Lau and the rest of Members of the Fifth Council of Stellar Management
[ 17:40:01 ] Mynxee > ha.
[ 17:40:10 ] Mynxee > let's move on to the next vote.
[ 17:40:24 ] Mynxee > Vote to publish the finalized CSM Blog draft (based on revisions agreed to by vote or consensus) by CCP as a CSM Blog with a target publication date of Sept. 14, 15, or 16
[ 17:40:34 ] Dierdra Vaal > yes
[ 17:40:35 ] Trebor Daehdoow > Y
[ 17:40:37 ] TeaDaze > yes
[ 17:40:38 ] Mynxee > Y
[ 17:40:39 ] Dierdra Vaal > !
[ 17:40:42 ] Meissa Anunthiel > Not now since the list has been included
[ 17:40:44 ] Meissa Anunthiel > it changes everything
[ 17:40:51 ] Mynxee > dv go
[ 17:40:53 ] Dierdra Vaal > one minor thing: we cant directly control the publication date - that is up to CCP
[ 17:40:58 ] Dierdra Vaal > but we can submit it to them :)
[ 17:41:00 ] Meissa Anunthiel > !
[ 17:41:04 ] Mynxee > i know but that is the dates i will request
[ 17:41:06 ] Mynxee > meissa go
[ 17:41:34 ] Meissa Anunthiel > Now that you've decided to force the list through, I'll want to add some extra checking, that will be done in less than 2 days
[ 17:42:12 ] Mynxee > meissa, that is fine, I think minor edits can be addressed in the forum thread
[ 17:42:28 ] Mynxee > but suggest they be completed by Monday 18:00
[ 17:42:40 ] Meissa Anunthiel > fine by me
[ 17:42:42 ] Mynxee > we have to have a hard stop on changes.
[ 17:42:57 ] Vuk Lau > can we add pictures or graphs to the blog?
[ 17:43:24 ] Mynxee > we can deal with that in the thread vuk, no penis pictures tho, no matter how charmign they may be.
[ 17:43:28 ] Mynxee > *charming
[ 17:43:55 ] Mynxee > vuk, tea, korvin, meissa, elven, need to vote
[ 17:43:56 ] ElvenLord > http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tamber/elvenlord4.jpg
[ 17:43:58 ] ElvenLord > this one?
[ 17:43:59 ] ElvenLord > :D
[ 17:44:23 ] ElvenLord > oh, Y
[ 17:44:32 ] Mynxee > LOL @ pic
[ 17:44:39 ] Mynxee > let's finish this vote my dears
[ 17:44:54 ] Meissa Anunthiel > yes, with the caveat about edits
[ 17:44:56 ] ElvenLord > go with that blog already but I want "And yet, there was still the problem of the backlog. To address this issue, CSM4 lobbied for and obtained official stakeholder status for CSM5." this part bolded
[ 17:45:25 ] Mynxee > it's a key point, for sure.
[ 17:45:37 ] Mynxee > vuk, korvin. vote. VOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEE. please.
[ 17:45:38 ] ElvenLord > key point in CSM development :D
[ 17:45:49 ] Dierdra Vaal > and teadaze
[ 17:45:50 ] Meissa Anunthiel > actually elven, we had asked for the backlog before your time ;-)
[ 17:45:50 ] Vuk Lau > yes
[ 17:45:59 ] Trebor Daehdoow > I will see how we can emphasize that, Elven -- I agree it was a huge win for CSM and needs to be given appropriate credit.
[ 17:46:00 ] Vuk Lau > sorry had close fight in World of Tanks
[ 17:46:11 ] Korvin > yes
[ 17:46:17 ] Mynxee > can i braid your hair, eleven? oh wait. meeting not over yet. LOL.
[ 17:46:29 ] Mynxee > *elven. also the e's, they haunt me today
[ 17:46:30 ] TeaDaze > Can we have a vote without discussion between the votes - it is really hard to keep track
[ 17:46:32 ] Vuk Lau > is "braid" some horse term?
[ 17:46:40 ] Mynxee > ============================================
[ 17:46:42 ] Trebor Daehdoow > And we will update the status right up to publication most likely. (Sorry Tea)
[ 17:46:44 ] ElvenLord > but I got the backlog list unlike you and CSM4 got few things from it in development in february :D
[ 17:46:47 ] Mynxee > vote w/out discuss please
[ 17:46:51 ] Dierdra Vaal > y
[ 17:46:51 ] TeaDaze > yes
[ 17:46:53 ] Mynxee > Y
[ 17:46:54 ] Korvin > y
[ 17:46:54 ] Vuk Lau > y
[ 17:46:54 ] Trebor Daehdoow > y
[ 17:46:55 ] ElvenLord > y
[ 17:47:02 ] Meissa Anunthiel > y
[ 17:47:08 ] Dierdra Vaal > perfect :)
[ 17:47:15 ] Mynxee > :) thanks
[ 17:47:15 ] Dierdra Vaal > minor edits can still be suggested in the thread of course
[ 17:47:19 ] TeaDaze > 8 for
[ 17:47:31 ] Mynxee > until monday 18:00 and i'll post that date in there for easy reference.
[ 17:47:47 ] Mynxee > as of monday 18:00 whatever it is, is what i'm sending to petur
[ 17:48:03 ] Dierdra Vaal > /emote will edit penises in at 17:59
[ 17:48:12 ] Mynxee > lols
[ 17:48:15 ] Mynxee > i read that as "eat"
[ 17:48:20 ] Dierdra Vaal > :|
[ 17:48:24 ] Mynxee > but...is there any other business then?
[ 17:48:26 ] Dierdra Vaal > yes
[ 17:48:29 ] Dierdra Vaal > I have one thing
[ 17:48:31 ] Trebor Daehdoow > May I state for the record how pleased I am that we were able to pull together and get this done. I respect Meissa's concerns and I am sure we will be able to find a way to address them.
[ 17:48:43 ] Mynxee > agreed, trebor.
[ 17:48:57 ] Mynxee > go dierdra
[ 17:49:01 ] TeaDaze > Agreed Trebor. I stand by the one week delay for edits which I feel has worked perfectly
[ 17:49:02 ] Dierdra Vaal > I recently verified all CSM1 and CSM3 issues on the wiki. They've now been properly categorised.
[ 17:49:14 ] Meissa Anunthiel > /emote claps
[ 17:49:15 ] Dierdra Vaal > that means: issues CSM1 and 3 presented to CCP
[ 17:49:25 ] Dierdra Vaal > I'd like to see the same done for CSM2 and 4
[ 17:49:26 ] Dierdra Vaal > and even 5
[ 17:49:33 ] Mynxee > /emote fluffles DV and pastes a gold star on his forehead
[ 17:49:42 ] Dierdra Vaal > make sure all issues that those CSMs presented to CCP are on the wiki - with the correct status
[ 17:49:49 ] ElvenLord > I have one other thing, why do I keep getting hit by girls of minor age on FB?
[ 17:49:50 ] Dierdra Vaal > so issues that have been resolved are listed as such
[ 17:49:51 ] Mynxee > I will work on teh rest but i need assistance from those who were on those councils to advise me
[ 17:50:06 ] Dierdra Vaal > if we can make sure the wiki is up to date, it'll be a reliable resource to point people to
[ 17:50:08 ] ElvenLord > np, I can help with all 4 CSMs
[ 17:50:10 ] Mynxee > cuz you're sexy rock star look, elven
[ 17:50:11 ] Meissa Anunthiel > grow a beard elvenlord
[ 17:50:17 ] Dierdra Vaal > hell, if we can do it fast we could include relevant links in the devblog.
[ 17:50:17 ] ElvenLord > well I can just send you a list :D
[ 17:50:18 ] Meissa Anunthiel > then you'll get the cougars
[ 17:50:32 ] Dierdra Vaal > I was hoping vuk would help with CSM2 and elvenlord CSM4
[ 17:50:35 ] Dierdra Vaal > as they were chairmen
[ 17:50:47 ] Mynxee > how about this, dv:
[ 17:50:50 ] Vuk Lau > i can do CSM3
[ 17:50:52 ] Vuk Lau > CSM2
[ 17:50:57 ] Dierdra Vaal > csm3 and 1 are already done
[ 17:51:00 ] Mynxee > ok
[ 17:51:04 ] Trebor Daehdoow > That reminds me, we ought to work on revising the state list on the wiki -- the current number of states a proposal can be in is not sufficient.
[ 17:51:05 ] ElvenLord > I should have all the documentation, if not TD is there -->
[ 17:51:07 ] Mynxee > vuk commits to doing csm2
[ 17:51:15 ] Trebor Daehdoow > I'll post something to the forum when I get a chance, for comments.
[ 17:51:40 ] Vuk Lau > what is ETA for that
[ 17:51:41 ] Mynxee > ok i think i'll make a therad for this "project" unless I already did
[ 17:51:56 ] Mynxee > and we can continue discussion there.
[ 17:52:36 ] Mynxee > i'll do CSM5, although I suspect it's fairly up to date.
[ 17:52:37 ] Dierdra Vaal > well faster is better - if we can get it done before monday we can include relevant links in the devblog - which might be a nice addition
[ 17:52:45 ] Dierdra Vaal > but if not, I think it shouldnt wait too long
[ 17:53:00 ] Mynxee > faster is better but i dont think that is realistic
[ 17:53:31 ] Mynxee > if it is done then yeah, if not, we'll post on Jita Park to let people know or AH if that is more appropriate...In a sticky.
[ 17:53:47 ] ElvenLord > did I send you guys the list of all issues from CSM1-3?
[ 17:53:59 ] ElvenLord > well excell sheet with status and so on
[ 17:54:06 ] Mynxee > i don't think so elven
[ 17:54:14 ] ElvenLord > ok will send it now
[ 17:54:23 ] Mynxee > unless that is the one DV wwas working with earlier that I saw
[ 17:54:26 ] ElvenLord > I have a newer one with added CSM4
[ 17:54:29 ] Dierdra Vaal > no its not
[ 17:54:32 ] Dierdra Vaal > I used my own
[ 17:55:00 ] Mynxee > email to the non-eve-gate mailing list, if you don't mind, elven
[ 17:55:41 ] Mynxee > if we've concluded this discussion on the wiki, is there any other business?
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[ 18:03:09 ] Mynxee > thanks folks.===============================CSM MEETING 008 ADJOURNED===============================.