CSM Meeting Minutes 4.010 raw log

CSM Meeting Minutes 4.010 raw log

[ 2010.05.02 17:12:27 ] ElvenLord > ==================
[ 2010.05.02 17:12:42 ] ElvenLord > 10th CSM4 meeting is officially starting
[ 2010.05.02 17:13:28 ] ElvenLord > on the agenda we have:1. BPO lockdown by majority stockholder2. Show damaged drones in drone bay3. Forum timer - Again4. Improvements to the F11 navigation panel
[ 2010.05.02 17:13:50 ] ElvenLord > First one is the BPO lockdown by majority stockholder
[ 2010.05.02 17:13:54 ] TeaDaze > http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/BPO_lockdown_by_majority_stockholder_%28CSM%29
[ 2010.05.02 17:14:02 ] ElvenLord > TD, wanna word?
[ 2010.05.02 17:14:15 ] TeaDaze > Hopefully this is simple
[ 2010.05.02 17:14:29 ] TeaDaze > It takes a load of hoops to even propose a lockdown vote
[ 2010.05.02 17:14:37 ] Alekseyev Karrde > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:14:38 ] TeaDaze > [end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:14:42 ] ElvenLord > Alekseyev Karrde go
[ 2010.05.02 17:14:59 ] Alekseyev Karrde > What is the source of the mechanics in step 1?  A member of my corp needed a bpo locked down and afaik we didnt have such a process
[ 2010.05.02 17:14:59 ] Z0D > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:15:36 ] ElvenLord > Z0D go
[ 2010.05.02 17:15:51 ] TeaDaze > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:16:20 ] Helen Highwater > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:16:22 ] Z0D > i am al for what TD mentioned as long as the mechanism is not circumvented to unlock them in the same way and most important in a way thats faster
[ 2010.05.02 17:16:27 ] Z0D > [/end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:16:45 ] Meissa Anunthiel > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:17:02 ] ElvenLord > erm, I dunno about you guys but I do have option to propose locking of the BPO on my right click on a BPO
[ 2010.05.02 17:17:06 ] ElvenLord > TeaDaze go
[ 2010.05.02 17:17:12 ] TeaDaze > I'm going by what the proposer stated, I haven't had to lockdown BPOs but I did confirm with them earlier today that this was still an issue. I was hoping to get feedback on it from our more industrial focussed people such as Z0d.
[ 2010.05.02 17:17:30 ] TeaDaze > Also it would only be for lockdown not unlock [end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:17:36 ] Z0D > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:17:41 ] ElvenLord > erm, I dunno about you guys but I do have option to propose locking of the BPO on my right click on a BPO
[ 2010.05.02 17:17:44 ] ElvenLord > :D
[ 2010.05.02 17:17:46 ] Helen Highwater > I just tested this with my industrial director character and there is a context menu option for locking down BPOs already.
[ 2010.05.02 17:17:55 ] ElvenLord > yes
[ 2010.05.02 17:17:59 ] Helen Highwater > It works as described for the solution in your proposal
[ 2010.05.02 17:18:06 ] ElvenLord > so this is pointless to debate
[ 2010.05.02 17:18:08 ] TeaDaze > If that is the case then I withdraw the proposal and we move on ;)
[ 2010.05.02 17:18:17 ] ElvenLord > ok, we move on
[ 2010.05.02 17:18:21 ] Meissa Anunthiel > was about to say that, the only thing that takes time is the voting
[ 2010.05.02 17:18:33 ] ElvenLord > NEXT: Show damaged drones in drone bay
[ 2010.05.02 17:18:35 ] TeaDaze > http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Show_damaged_drones_in_drone_bay_%28CSM%29
[ 2010.05.02 17:18:36 ] ElvenLord > http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Show_damaged_drones_in_drone_bay_%28CSM%29
[ 2010.05.02 17:18:40 ] Z0D > 1 day minimum and then the result of the vote needs to be applied
[ 2010.05.02 17:18:43 ] Meissa Anunthiel > and there was a proposal to allow voting on multiple BPOs at once that CCP rejected.
[ 2010.05.02 17:19:05 ] Alekseyev Karrde > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:19:12 ] ElvenLord > Alekseyev Karrde go
[ 2010.05.02 17:19:35 ] Alekseyev Karrde > Not being able to see the damaged drones before launching them has been a source of frustration for me on many many occassions.  Definitly support [end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:19:51 ] Z0D > agreed there completely
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:01 ] Helen Highwater > Vote?
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:15 ] ElvenLord > lets vote, Y or N pls
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:17 ] ElvenLord > ================
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:18 ] ElvenLord > Y
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:18 ] Z0D > y
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:19 ] Meissa Anunthiel > y
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:19 ] Helen Highwater > Y
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:20 ] TeaDaze > y
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:30 ] Korvin > y
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:35 ] Z0D > pretty unilateral vote there :)
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:52 ] ElvenLord > Aleks missing
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:52 ] Helen Highwater > Missing Aleks' vote
[ 2010.05.02 17:20:54 ] TeaDaze > need Aleks vote though for the 7 min :P
[ 2010.05.02 17:21:21 ] Z0D > /emote passes a voting card to Alek
[ 2010.05.02 17:21:25 ] Korvin > here is the true power of "no"
[ 2010.05.02 17:21:27 ] Korvin > :D
[ 2010.05.02 17:21:46 ] TeaDaze > Even a no mens it passes, but only 6 votes and it can't
[ 2010.05.02 17:22:19 ] Korvin > yep) guess alex had realised that
[ 2010.05.02 17:22:32 ] TeaDaze > Alekseyev Karrde - Wake up :P
[ 2010.05.02 17:22:32 ] Korvin > and voted with silence instead :D
[ 2010.05.02 17:22:39 ] Alekseyev Karrde > y
[ 2010.05.02 17:22:43 ] TeaDaze > Passed 7 for 0 against
[ 2010.05.02 17:23:12 ] Z0D > were you killing someone Alek :)
[ 2010.05.02 17:23:15 ] ElvenLord > \o/
[ 2010.05.02 17:23:18 ] ElvenLord > ==========
[ 2010.05.02 17:23:33 ] ElvenLord > OK next is kinda not needed to vote
[ 2010.05.02 17:24:11 ] ElvenLord > I will send an official mail to remind them they agreed on lowering the timer on forums to 2min during the summit (and promissed) and that they need to do it
[ 2010.05.02 17:24:20 ] ElvenLord > so we will move on to last thing
[ 2010.05.02 17:24:34 ] TeaDaze > http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_timer_-_Again_%28CSM%29
[ 2010.05.02 17:24:34 ] ElvenLord > 4. Improvements to the F11 navigation panel
[ 2010.05.02 17:24:45 ] TeaDaze > http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Improvements_to_the_F11_navigation_panel_%28CSM%29
[ 2010.05.02 17:24:45 ] ElvenLord > not timer, thast is a done deal
[ 2010.05.02 17:24:49 ] Z0D > how long does it take to change a timing setting..... 2 min at most its been months...
[ 2010.05.02 17:25:04 ] TeaDaze > The screenshot seems to have gone walkies from this proposal
[ 2010.05.02 17:25:17 ] TeaDaze > http://teadaze.net/csm4/Hesperius-navigation-03.jpg
[ 2010.05.02 17:26:21 ] Helen Highwater > Looks nice
[ 2010.05.02 17:26:27 ] Z0D > tactical secrets revealed!
[ 2010.05.02 17:26:34 ] ElvenLord > I kinda like those dots you want to remove
[ 2010.05.02 17:26:41 ] Helen Highwater > Like his windows theme
[ 2010.05.02 17:26:47 ] ElvenLord > its good when leading the fleet
[ 2010.05.02 17:26:53 ] Alekseyev Karrde > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:26:56 ] TeaDaze > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:27:01 ] ElvenLord > Alekseyev Karrde go
[ 2010.05.02 17:27:33 ] Alekseyev Karrde > I think this is an interesting and worthwhile change.  It'll make movement easier for lots of segments of the eve community including traders, industrialists w multiple build centers, and pvpers [en]d
[ 2010.05.02 17:28:01 ] Helen Highwater > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:28:07 ] ElvenLord > TeaDaze go
[ 2010.05.02 17:28:18 ] Z0D > yep its nice
[ 2010.05.02 17:28:21 ] TeaDaze > This is not my mock-up, this is from the proposal thread. Also I advocate retaining the left hand side autopilot dots but make it configurable. Also it must retain the current solar system section at the bottom for D-scanner use [end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:28:42 ] Korvin > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:28:47 ] ElvenLord > Helen Highwater go
[ 2010.05.02 17:29:23 ] Helen Highwater > I think it's a nice idea that paves the way for a more modular UI experience across the board. Would be nice if the individual panes in that right hand UI element could be undocked and moved around - that way you could keep the current left hand
[ 2010.05.02 17:29:32 ] Helen Highwater > route info if you wanted it[/end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:05 ] ElvenLord > Korvin go
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:12 ] Korvin > i sometims use solar system part of f11 screen for direct scaning, i want to keep it [end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:23 ] Meissa Anunthiel > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:23 ] TeaDaze > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:26 ] ElvenLord > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:29 ] ElvenLord > Meissa Anunthiel go
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:30 ] Meissa Anunthiel > same remark as Korvin.
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:34 ] Meissa Anunthiel > It's very useful
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:37 ] Meissa Anunthiel > [/end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:57 ] ElvenLord > TeaDaze go
[ 2010.05.02 17:30:59 ] TeaDaze > I have stated the solar system part at the bottom of the current F11 is needed for directional scanning
[ 2010.05.02 17:31:17 ] TeaDaze > It is actually still on the mockup but "folded"
[ 2010.05.02 17:31:20 ] TeaDaze > [end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:31:34 ] ElvenLord > ElvenLord go
[ 2010.05.02 17:31:44 ] Z0D > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:32:54 ] ElvenLord > as for dots on the left I would rly like to keep them, but they could go away when aditional panel is opened. As for the whole F11 overhaul, this could be added to the existing window as an aditional option, not to replace the old one
[ 2010.05.02 17:33:16 ] ElvenLord > so you get old working one + few new thingies in it
[ 2010.05.02 17:33:20 ] ElvenLord > [end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:33:23 ] ElvenLord > Z0D go
[ 2010.05.02 17:33:33 ] Z0D > also if it can moved to other places of the screen like where it is on the left now and also have a full collapse, partial and fully expanded ability, when you have 40 jumps seeing the next few systems is all you need and maybe also highlight
[ 2010.05.02 17:33:43 ] Z0D > stoppoints as well in a route [/end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:35:21 ] TeaDaze > Any objections or suggestions?
[ 2010.05.02 17:35:52 ] ElvenLord > objection was for removing the left dots navigation
[ 2010.05.02 17:36:04 ] ElvenLord > and for removing old f11 features
[ 2010.05.02 17:36:16 ] TeaDaze > From the wiki article "TeaDaze suggests that the standard autopilot list on the left hand side be retained as an option for people not wanting to have the F11 panel open all the time."
[ 2010.05.02 17:36:24 ] Helen Highwater > But the left dots can be reinstated if the frames are undockable
[ 2010.05.02 17:36:42 ] Z0D > with some modifications as we all had some, for me its a yes as long as we can customise to what we like
[ 2010.05.02 17:36:58 ] Korvin > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:37:05 ] ElvenLord > Korvin go
[ 2010.05.02 17:37:22 ] Korvin > the best thing in f11 interface is its speed
[ 2010.05.02 17:37:35 ] Z0D > f11 and its up
[ 2010.05.02 17:37:43 ] Korvin > if we will make it too big, it will show up slow, kile f10
[ 2010.05.02 17:37:48 ] Korvin > *loke
[ 2010.05.02 17:37:51 ] Korvin > *like
[ 2010.05.02 17:37:54 ] Korvin > dam)
[ 2010.05.02 17:38:23 ] Korvin > so the speed it shows up is critical here
[ 2010.05.02 17:38:36 ] Korvin > [end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:38:54 ] TeaDaze > !
[ 2010.05.02 17:38:58 ] ElvenLord > TeaDaze go
[ 2010.05.02 17:39:57 ] TeaDaze > If the UI was fully dragable then you could in theory pull the solar system section out and have it pinned somewhere else. Likewise you could in theory "dock" people and places etc intot he F11 panel. However that is getting into the realm of full UI
[ 2010.05.02 17:40:22 ] TeaDaze > overhaul. If CCp don't want to implement this now it could be insisted on for any new UI [end]
[ 2010.05.02 17:40:55 ] ElvenLord > ok lets vote on this, Y or N pls
[ 2010.05.02 17:40:56 ] ElvenLord > ===================
[ 2010.05.02 17:40:58 ] TeaDaze > y
[ 2010.05.02 17:41:02 ] Z0D > y
[ 2010.05.02 17:41:07 ] ElvenLord > y
[ 2010.05.02 17:41:12 ] Helen Highwater > Y
[ 2010.05.02 17:41:35 ] Korvin > y, in case it will not slow down the interface
[ 2010.05.02 17:42:00 ] Alekseyev Karrde > t
[ 2010.05.02 17:42:02 ] Alekseyev Karrde > Y
[ 2010.05.02 17:42:13 ] TeaDaze > 6 for, Waiting on Meissa
[ 2010.05.02 17:42:23 ] Z0D > one to the right Alek :)
[ 2010.05.02 17:43:09 ] TeaDaze > Come on  Meissa Anunthiel ;)
[ 2010.05.02 17:44:49 ] Meissa Anunthiel > y
[ 2010.05.02 17:44:51 ] Meissa Anunthiel > sorry
[ 2010.05.02 17:45:01 ] Meissa Anunthiel > darn phone
[ 2010.05.02 17:45:01 ] TeaDaze > Passed 7 for 0 against
[ 2010.05.02 17:45:18 ] Helen Highwater > grand
[ 2010.05.02 17:45:18 ] ElvenLord > ok, soooo, till when are we in office?
[ 2010.05.02 17:45:34 ] Z0D > 2nd june?
[ 2010.05.02 17:45:36 ] Alekseyev Karrde > we done?
[ 2010.05.02 17:45:51 ] TeaDaze > June 3rd is when CSM5 take over
[ 2010.05.02 17:46:01 ] ElvenLord > ok we will have one more meeting them
[ 2010.05.02 17:46:15 ] ElvenLord > 23rd May?
[ 2010.05.02 17:46:36 ] Alekseyev Karrde > week before would be better for me
[ 2010.05.02 17:46:40 ] TeaDaze > 16th or 23rd are fine wth me
[ 2010.05.02 17:46:44 ] Z0D > we could have one on 16 and one on 30th
[ 2010.05.02 17:46:45 ] Alekseyev Karrde > i may still be able to make the 23rd tho
[ 2010.05.02 17:47:17 ] ElvenLord > then lets make our farewell meeting on 23rd May at 17:00
[ 2010.05.02 17:47:27 ] ElvenLord > this meeting is over
[ 2010.05.02 17:47:29 ] ElvenLord > =========================