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This page contains the transcript of the CSM Roundtable that was held on November 21st, 19:00. The original announcement can be found here.

CSM members in attendance

Dierdra Vaal Elvenlord (Alt) Korvin Meissa Anunthiel Sokratesz TeaDaze Trebor Daehdoow Vuk Lau

Questions

Hybrid guns

Q1: Okay, fine, I'll break the ice with a potentially misinformed question; Why isn't Blaster or Hybrid Balance on the 200-odd list of priorities?

[19:05:14] Dierdra Vaal > The list is created by issues CSM members bring up over the years and succesfull get a majority vote. If there are no blaster or hybrid issues that have passed it is because they were either not brought up, or did not get a majority vote.... [19:05:59] Dierdra Vaal > I do know that shortly after quantum rise (and the speed nerf), a few blaster issues were voted down because CSM members wanted to be sure it wasn't just the new, lower speed that was confusing people... [19:06:16] Dierdra Vaal > however, I do recall blasters and hybrids being mentioned by Korvin during our meetings in iceland. end

[19:06:51] Trebor Daehdoow > I just extracted the issues from the current in-process list. We haven't passed a blaster/hybrid balance proposal AFAIK, so it didn't make it. In other words, what DV said. We do have a planned session on game balance issues requested by players scheduled for December. [/end]

[19:07:41] Korvin > We had a discussion about blasters on CSM4 and 5 during the summits [19:08:00] Korvin > the real problem is - there is no clear answer how to fix them [19:08:20] Korvin > to keep them unique and dont ruin the balance of guns even more [19:08:42] Korvin > i keep an eye of discussions on an Assembly hall for that [19:08:50] Korvin > and brainstorming this issue [19:09:00] Korvin > and ccp is aware of the issue with hybrids [19:09:22] Korvin > so far i defined some points [19:09:36] Korvin > All Hybrids.
1. Tracking is fine, it should be in a line with a projectiles, lasers have a native tracking advantage.
2. Hybrids should use kinetic and termal, in this case termal dmg can be an extra advantage to the close ammo. [19:09:47] Korvin > 3. Cap useage of hybrids can be lowered, since most of a ships have an active tank bonus. [19:09:56] Korvin > Blasters.
1. Should stay the close range and have the most DPS, but limited alpha on a closerange ammo.
2. Should have their ROF between the projectiles and lasers. [19:10:06] Korvin > 3. Alpha can be limited by giving the ammo ROF modifyer.
4. Range can be extended by giving the ammo a faloff modifyer. [19:10:16] Korvin > 5. Faloff and optimal values should be at a close values, to make them usefull for ships both with faloff and optimal bonuses. [19:10:27] Korvin > Railguns.
1. Should have the alpha between the lasers and arty, closer to arty. [19:10:37] Korvin > 2. Can have alpha lower with a close range ammo, and higher with a snipe ammo to have the advantage, their alpha with an iridium-tungsten ammo can be higher than the arty on a same range, to give the advantage to the caldari sniper ships on an average f [19:10:53] Korvin > to the caldari sniper ships on an average fleet range. [19:11:04] Korvin > 3. Should have a 2nd version of a long range t2 ammo for the caldari ships. [19:11:15] Korvin > but the further discussion with ccp and csm needed [19:11:20] Korvin > and planed for december [19:11:23] Korvin > [end]

[19:12:11] Meissa Anunthiel > Also, most of the proposals related to those brought up by other members later on were so grossly misinformed/oversweeping that they got shot down. In the end Korvin brought it in a general balancing session, where it's going to be just fine. And as [19:12:21] Meissa Anunthiel > he said, it's not just a question of "blaster suck". More like a question. Do they, really? Under what circumstances? And are those circumstances not a fair tradeoff for their advantages. That is what balancing is about.

[19:13:05] TeaDaze > There are a few "fix hybrid" proposals floating around and there is one I'm going to submit for the next CSM meeting - however it wasn't raised in time for inclusion in the prioritisation list. [end]