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== Relevancy ==

This Article is still important, please restore it! Eve is not supported officialy for Linux any more but there are still many Players who play the Game with the Windows Client and Wine under Linux. Have a look in the official Linux Eve forum to see how active it is.

This Article was IMO the best installation guide at the moment and could spare interested new players a lot of forum search and being scared off by outdated HowTos. So this article is relevant and very important to spread Eve in the Linux Community even after the official Linux client has been abandoned. This can only be in the Interest of CCP and the Eve community. --[[Contributor name:Luteros|Luteros]] 09:26, 14 March 2009 (UTC)



== Comments by Sevarus ==
Put this in the forum, but figure better to get the info here as well:

[edit]Edited by: Sevarus James on 17/01/2009 09:03:27[/edit]
[quote] Configuring wine to work with EVE

Open winecfg (usually found in Applications > Wine > Configure Wine), click on the graphics tab, and click "emulate a virtual desktop". You will need to download d3dx9_35 and place it in ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32. Once that is done, open winecfg again and click the libraries tab. Find d3dx9_35 in the drop down list and add it. Click on d3dx9_35 in the existing overrides window and click edit, then click "Native then builtin". [/quote]

That bit in the wiki regarding the d3dx9_35 file...I've NEVER needed to do that and EVE has worked fine.  Just curious but why is that necessary?

: I just deinstalled Wine and wiped out my entire ~/.wine/ structure.  All 9 Gigs of it.  Reinstall Wine and Eve, nothing more, haven't even let Eve run yet.  And right at the end of the Eve install process one d3dx9_35.dll file appeared in the windoze/system32 directory.  So, certainly no need for redownloading that file.  [[Contributor name:Solbright|Solbright]] 13:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

[quote]You will also need to install arial.ttf. To do this, install the package "msttcorefonts". After the package is installed, move /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/arial.ttf to ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/Fonts. [/quote]

I do NOT recommend that as a solution.  Creating a symlink of the folder "fonts" and replacing the default "fonts" directory with it in the .wine folder works as well, OR just COPY the arial file over.  Many of us use the arial font for other things, and if you move it out of the true type directory this can cause problems for other applications.
: Moving is out of the question (requires root/sudo anyway). If we are telling users to use winetricks to install corefonts, we might as well leave this alone, or at least say copy / symlink to. [[Contributor name:Debeus|Debeus]] 06:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Under the multiple clients section, you also will probably want to add (for clarity) that the user CAN change the windowed resolution to whatever suits them.  800x600 is awfully small and 'under' the minimum recommended rez for running EVE anyway.

My thoughts. [:D]
: This was written for multiple clients, but it is currently needed as a workaround with focus issues (ie: switching to another app, then coming back locks eve). It should be rewritten as such (meaning its needed to launch), see my post here: [http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=992931]. Of course if you are doing your custom launcher with this setting, you don't need to change your default wine settings by enabling this option in winecfg as suggested by Sevarus (and its bothersome to leave it as default, try switching within wine apps). [[Contributor name:Debeus|Debeus]] 06:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Good stuff setting that page up....should save us time and effort over ludicrously difficult and fruitless forum searches.  bravo!

== Editing the article ==

I just noticed that Aurix Lexico has said he can't edit the article.  Which just happened to coincide with my own edit.  The correlation suggests maybe there can only be one pending contributor to a section at a time.  Which does make some sense.

Cause is confirmed - [http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Editing Editing, question #8].  [[Contributor name:Solbright|Solbright]] 23:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Two suggestions:
* Needs verified but splitting the article up into more than one section might help.
* More discussions in this talk page first, which doesn't have approvals, to reduce the frequency of edits to the article page.
[[Contributor name:Solbright|Solbright]] 22:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

==== Formatting ====

Well, just got approved and the first thing that stands out for me is the page layout is now screwed - It's gone way too wide for me.  I have to scroll my browser window left to right to read the article now.  Anyone else?  [[Contributor name:Solbright|Solbright]] 23:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I've now submitted a fixed version that displays correctly.  I wasn't using bullets correctly and it was trying to fit the whole bullet on a single line. [[Contributor name:Solbright|Solbright]] 11:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Wine on OS X ==

The general outlines in the article will also apply for OS X.  But instead of downloading from the Wine developers directly, you would download [http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/ Crossover] and then install the Windows version of Eve.

This should provide, on the Mac, all the goodness that Linux Eve'ers are enjoying right now.  :)

Might need to change the title of the article though.  Something like '''Using Wine to run Eve Online'''.

==== Wine on OS X build guides ====

* http://blog.alantan.com/2007/02/compile-wine-on-mac-os-x-tiger.html
* http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX/Building
* http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX/Installing
* http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Development/Compilers/Wine.shtml
* http://www.kronenberg.org/darwine/

== New entries for the article ==
# Squably just mentioned adding in the current stability workaround of forcing full-screen mode into a virtual desktop (window).  This can be achieved either with Wine's winecfg program, setting a virtual desktop, or by specifying the same in the launch command, , or even using the window manager to force Wine or Eve to be a window.  In my case I've used KDE's window manager to make it a borderless hotkeyless background window.  I then manage the Eve window with the task bar which I can shrink away to the corner of the screen when I'm fully immersed in Eve. [[Contributor name:Solbright|Solbright]] 13:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br><br>
# http://wiki.winehq.org/Recommended_Packages<br><br>
# There is a recent focus switching bug that has crept in.  When the Eve window is to be passed focus from another program's window there appears to be something like a 50/50 chance of a crash.  With the resulting - '''wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x0000006c at address 0x10051585 (thread 0019), starting debugger...'''<br><br>One work-around is to always minimise Eve when doing something else on the desktop.<br><br>

== Suggested edit - Gecko Install ==

Hi all, thanks for this guide was really helpful with getting it running on my Intrepid Ibex :)
However, there was one more step I had to follow to get it to work:

Install Gecko - Gecko is something I know nothing about, however in my case it was required to let anything running on WINE speak to the interwebs properly. This was both using wireless and a wired connection. Without it, EVE would not load the EULA, so I could not agree and start to use the game. Steam would hang on "Updating 0%". 

Installing Gecko is easily done with
$wine iexplore www.google.com

IE prompts you to install it on first run, after that is done EVE loads the EULA and works beautifully, and Steam did too :) - however not with premium content, I'm using a laptop ATI Mobility Radeon card which isn't exactly what you would call "supported" by WINE as I understand it. 

cheers
Cornelius :)

: Interesting trick installing IE to get Gecko also installed.  Gecko is Mozilla's webpage rendering engine.  Firefox being the reference application for it.  Most pre-installed Linux desktops have a Gecko based browser built in theses days.<br><br>I guess installing the Linux version of Firefox would achieve the same result.  [[Contributor name:Solbright|Solbright]] 12:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

:: This could be done at the winetricks line, simply add option '''gecko'''. You are not really installing IE when doing the above. If any windows app running under wine needs ie (mshtml?) to render something, wine checks if gecko is installed or else prompts the user to install it. So all web rendering is made by gecko instead of ie. Putting it in the winetricks line would streamline this. [[Contributor name:Debeus|Debeus]] 06:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== Why do I need "emulate a virtual desktop"? ==

I play Eve in fullscreen and havn't checked the "emulate a virtual desktop" option. I havn't tried it windowed. I guess this option is needed only to play Eve in window mode. --[[Contributor name:Luteros|Luteros]] 15:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:There is a bug where eve will crash if it loses/regains focus and it is not in "emulate a virtual desktop" mode. Updated wiki to reflect this --[[Contributor name:Ek Onkar|Ek Onkar]] 03:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

== Summary of steps needed to use Wine (Proposal) ==

For the compiling part.  Might want to add in to there that in order to compile wine with current nVidia drivers you need to use the developer version of the drivers.  The normal ones do not have (or at least have in the right place) all of the needed openGL libs.  Had a huge headache for that.  finally did the dev drivers and it is now compiling.[[Contributor name:Alua Oresson|Alua Oresson]] 06:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

* Check 3d, in a terminal use (requires mesa-utils) '''glxinfo | grep rendering'''
** Need to install current drivers?

I'm using nvidia 180.11 (From backports repository for Ubuntu 8.10). The 180.x series is needed for correct sli (otherwise it will pause very often). Sli needs this in xorg.conf in '''Section "Device"''':
       Option          "Coolbits"      "2"
       Option          "SLI"           "Auto"
Note: Coolbits 2 is only needed if your cards have different memory sizes. Tested with 2 9800 GT

* Install/Update [http://winehq.org/ wine]
** Need to update wine? I'm testing with 1.1.15.
* Winetricks:
** In a terminal window, do:
 wget http://www.kegel.com/wine/winetricks
 sh winetricks '''corefonts gecko'''
: No, you don't need chmod u+x. In March, we might need to use '''corefonts gecko winxp vcrun2005sp1''' if the new (braindead) patcher is kept and not fixed by CCP.
* Wine config (winecfg): Audio settings in winecfg are set to: OSS Driver (If using pulseaudio or OSS); Hardware Acceleration: Full; Default Sample Rate '''48000'''; Default Bits Per Sample: 16; Driver Emulation: enabled.
: If there are problems, try 44100 as sample rate instead.
* '''user.reg''' edit: just append this to ~/.wine/user.reg, its cumbersome to use regedit :)
 [Software\\Wine\\Direct3D]
 "DirectDrawRenderer"="opengl"
 "OffscreenRenderingMode"="fbo"
 "PixelShaderMode"="enabled"
 "VertexShaderMode"="hardware"
 "VideoMemorySize"="'''256'''"
Change Video Memory to your actual video memory. You can omit OffscreenRendringMode if it gives you problems.
* If using pulseaudio, make custom launcher prepending '''padsp''' and configure winecfg (using padsp winecfg) to use oss instead of alsa).
* Use the /desktop option to workaround focus issues:
 '''padsp''' wine explorer /desktop='''EVE1''',1680x1050 "C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\eve.exe"
: If you are going to launch more than one client, copy the launch command and change the desktop name (EVE1 with something like EVE2) so you can switch with ease using your preferred window manager method (eg: alt tab)
: In this case, i am using the same resolution of my desktop, which results in full screen. If you use a smaller resolution, you will get a window instead.

* Install Eve online client
** Premium [http://www.eveonline.com/download/ client download].
** Client config:
*** '''Turn off Audio Hardware Acceleration''' (In game, not winecfg), to prevent "random" lockups.
*** In game, make sure the settings (Display & Graphics) for the resolution matches your /desktop resolution, and is set to "Fullscreen", regardless of being true or not.
*** Turn off shadows (Premium content). Enter game and if you see many pure black areas instead of lights/textures, turn on hdr, then off again.

This is more or less my current guide. It is messy to look at, so i don't know if it could go to the Article page or if anyone has something else to add/change/suggest. [[Contributor name:Debeus|Debeus]] 09:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

===respone===
:Ok, in order, the whole NVidia SLI thing shouldn't be included because it isn't about setting up wine or eve online. I just think it would that adding in a bunch of information about how to setup graphics drivers would make the article unwieldy.

:Why do you need to install gecko?

:Audio works without setting wine to use OSS/launching eve with padsp.

:VideoMemorySize isn't always going to be 256mb. --[[Contributor name:Ek Onkar|Ek Onkar]] 23:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== Current client ==

More recent versions of the patcher require the Visual C++ 2008 Runtime.
Instead of
 sh winetricks vcrun2005sp1
it should be
 sh winetricks vcrun2008

Unfortunately, repair.exe blocks on the "Sorting out what needs to be downloaded, please wait..." step. One CPU core is at 100%, and there is no disk or network activity. Wine error messages don't seem to be related.

I will try copying data files over from a windows installation and run the patcher on those.

Any help?