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== Cleanup ==
I have begun updating this guide to reflect current info and use new tables and images. Not sure how long it will take to be fully done. Also, mods, I am curious if we can merge this with the [[Mining (Guide)]] page, as this covers everything from beginner mining through advanced. --[[Contributor name:Cal Hydar|Cal Hydar]] 09:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

:First of all the article is way out of form to be a wiki article i.o. it goes too deep to issues, it has version numberings, introductions, oppinnions ("I suggest this, i suggest that") instead of facts, talks side of the article issue (basics of mining, refining) and it has misleading header names. After ironing those, quite big, issues it starts to be a wiki article. And yes, it should be merged to [[Mining]] (there is no need for disambiguation‎ as there is no other than one mining in the game). [[Contributor name:BlackSmith Sisunautti|BlackSmith Sisunautti]] 10:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

::Realistically, all guides on this wiki are opionated. Gaming strategy, as a whole, is opinionated, but I do agree it needs major cleanup still. I mainly worked on subbing tables for broken images and updating info. --[[Contributor name:Cal Hydar|Cal Hydar]] 10:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Which is why wikis like this one are seldom taken seriously as information resources. If the Encyclopedia Britannica can resist putting the words "miserable failure" in their entry about George W. Bush, you'd think we'd be able to maintain at least a few objective standards. But then, the smaller the stakes, the more vicious the game... --[[Contributor name:Tatterdemalian|Tatterdemalian]] 22:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:: This article is a bad copyright-violating paste of Halada's 2007 mining guide.  Large portions of the page are inaccurate, as was the guide.   See the [[Mining_guide|basic mining guide]] for a good comparison. I'm going to suggest, at a minimum:
::* Break the page down into sub-pages.  
::* Mining ship's should have their information pushed to their respective item pages.  
::* Add a mining-rate comparison chart might be useful on a page discussing fittings, modules and ships.  
::* Write a correct basic fleeting guide for bonuses, particularly now with the [[orca]] available, might fit in its own section. 
::* Examples may be better in their own sidebars (boxes on the wiki.) 
::* Replace Halada's calculations,
::* Fix the incorrect information like that about [http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Gas_Cloud_Harvester_I| gas cloud harvesters] and [http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Strip_Miner_I| strip miners] and hauling.
::* Add a discussion on PvP, can flipping and [http://hulkageddon.wordpress.com/| Hulkageddon] on a new subpage.
:: I don't have the time at the moment to implement any of this, but please don't just violate Halada's copyright again by *stealing* his 2009 guide (which is also incomplete, opinionated and surprisingly often off-topic with respect to mining.) --[[Contributor name:Eoras Northwind|Eoras Northwind]] 05:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== need stuff add for 0.0 mining  ==

where are the 0.0 ores

:0.0 space doesn't break down anywhere near as neatly as Empire space. Each 0.0 region has its own peculiar variety of ores, and these ores will occur in varying levels of abundance depending on the true security status of the system (ranging from 0.0 down to -1.0). I would advise you to find the lowest security rated 0.0 space you can hold and keep supplied with minerals, and mine there. You're very likely to find most of what you need, though there is the occasional strange omission, such as certain regions that may be abundant in mercoxit, arkanor, and bistot but mysteriously lack all the ores that can be refined into mexallon, isogen, or nocxium; and even regions where only arkanor, crokite, dark ochre, gneiss, hedbergite, hemorphite, kernite, and veldspar naturally occur, forcing players to import all their pyerite from Empire or reprocess it from rat droppings. --[[Contributor name:Tatterdemalian|Tatterdemalian]] 22:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

== gas cloud miners ==

gas cloud miner I can only be used on ship with TURRET hardpoints, that leaves out barges and exhumers

Ferox is good ship but found out u can only run 3 harvesters at 1 time

== Formula for calculating yield is incorrect? ==

the formula listed on the main article is:

Yield = (Station_Equipment + 0.375) * (1 + Refining_Skill * 0.02) * (1 + Refinery_Efficiency*0.04) * (1 + Ore_Skill*0.05)

I think it should be:

Yield = Station_Equipment + [ 0.375 * (1 + Refining_Skill * 0.02) * (1 + Refinery_Efficiency*0.04) * (1 + Ore_Skill*0.05) ]

(The net Yield as seen in the refining window is the above with Ore_Skill at 0)

:This looks right to me; the refining skill books in Eve improve the base 0.375 multiplier for all characters but not the Station_Equipment variable. --[[Contributor name:DarthCaboose|DarthCaboose]] 18:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== needs update ==

The values are out of date.  This article needs to be updated to match the changes due to the Tyrannis update.--[[Contributor_name:Susurrous|Susurrous]] 05:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)